Monday Night Raw – November 9, 2015: It’s A Tournament! Uh, Yay!

Monday Night Raw
Date: November 9, 2015
Location: Manchester Arena, Manchester, England
Commentators: Michael Cole, John Bradshaw Layfield, Byron Saxton

We’re across the ocean for the annual European tour and for once it’s a big night as the World Title tournament begins. Seth Rollins is out due to a torn ACL, meaning it’s time to have a tournament for the vacant title. The brackets will be revealed tonight and it should be interesting to see what they have planned. Let’s get to it.

We open with the title on a stand in the middle of the ring as Cole recaps Rollins’ injury.

Here’s HHH to address the title situation. HHH thanks Seth for always living up to the expectations the Authority had and pauses for a THANK YOU SETH chant. There’s going to be a tournament set up with the winner becoming the new champion at Survivor Series. A few weeks ago though, we crowned a new #1 contender so HHH would like Reigns to come out here right now.

While it’s true that there’s a tournament, it seems unfair to HHH that Reigns should have to walk through the tournament with no advantage. Instead, HHH offers to let Reigns advance to Survivor Series to face the winner of the tournament. The reality is that the Authority was thinking about giving Reigns the spot before they picked Rollins. HHH saw so much potential in Reigns and thinks he could have been the biggest star in the business.

Could Reigns have fought and beaten Brock on his own and then held the title as long as he wanted? It would have been interesting to see. What HHH has seen is Reigns going up against wall after wall and never quitting. All Reigns has to do now is be HHH’s man, which Reigns calls selling out.

HHH doesn’t like that term and says forget all these morals because he could be given everything that he deserves. He even gets more serious by bringing up Reigns’ family. Roman could secure his daughter’s daughter’s future by just saying yes. The fans still say NO and Reigns says the same because he wants to do it his way. HHH thanks him for reminding him why he didn’t pick Reigns in the first place, so welcome to the back of the line. Reigns’ first match is right now. This opens a few doors as Reigns could change his mind or someone else could take the spot instead. Most interesting indeed.

WWE World Title Tournament First Round: Roman Reigns vs. Big Show

Show headbutts him down to start and they go to the floor with Show throwing him over the bottom rope and back inside. See, Show is big and strong. That makes him entertaining in case you haven’t gotten it in the last nearly seventeen years. Reigns dives into a chop to the chest and gets whipped across the ring as this is one sided so far. Show’s splash gets two and he throws Reigns down again as we take another break.

Total dominance so far but at least we’re getting this thing out of the way in the first round instead of sitting through a bunch of Show wins. Back with Reigns firing off right hands but getting caught in a bearhug (that felt like they came back a few seconds early). Reigns throws him off and grabs a Samoan drop, followed by the corner clotheslines. That earns Roman a chokeslam for two but the Superman Punch and spear advance Reigns at 11:57.

Rating: C-. Remember all those other matches they’ve had before? This is the most recent one. There’s nothing interesting between these two and no one on the planet believed Reigns wasn’t advancing here. At the end of the day, Roman Reigns vs. Big Show is the most simple idea that they have anymore and it’s really not working. Find someone else for Reigns to beat up because this match is already rammed into the ground.

Here are the full brackets.

Roman Reigns



Alberto Del Rio




Titus O’Neil

Kevin Owens


King Barrett

Dolph Ziggler


Dean Ambrose

Tyler Breeze

That’s uh….pretty lame. You can almost see the finals from here, save for a quick swerve. If they do turn Ambrose heel against a face Reigns, sweet goodness they’ve lost their minds even more than I thought they had.

Quick video of Undertaker and Kane during their most dominant days. The Wyatts will be paying respect to them later.

Wayne Rooney of Manchester United is here.

WWE World Title Tournament First Round: Titus O’Neil vs. Kevin Owens

Non-title of course. Before the match, Owens says you can buy his theme music on iTunes and put some change in his pockets. “And yes, I actually have pockets on my wrestling gear. That’s how awesome I am.” Owens talks about how WWE needs change right now and what better place than in the smartest fans in the world here in England. However, Owens thinks they’re dumb for following something like the Royal Family. The change is all about Owens though, because this is his show.

Kevin fights out of the corner to start but gets kicked in the face to knock him outside. We take an early break and come back with Titus fighting out of a chinlock. Titus is told that he isn’t on Kevin’s level and pounds away in the corner, followed by the dog bark and a missed charge. The Pop Up Powerbomb ends Titus at 6:56.

Rating: D. Well at least it’s over. This was just an extended workout for Owens and the kind of match he should win with ease. I’m glad we’re getting these lame matches out of the way in the early rounds and at least they’re keeping them quick. Owens could make a real run in this thing and I hope he doesn’t lose clean whenever he’s eliminated.

Owens steals JBL’s hat. Thank goodness that won’t lead to a feud.

Paige thinks Becky Lynch is a rat and the only thing better than beating Baby Flair for the title is beating the B and then taking out the C. I kind of dig that.

Clip of Undertaker beating Sid for the title at Wrestlemania XIII and one of Kane cashing in Money in the Bank to win the title at Money in the Bank 2010.

Paige vs. Becky Lynch

So do they keep the #1 contender strong or have her lose at home instead? They brawl to start with Becky in trouble against the home country star. The fans quiet down until THIS IS MY HOUSE wakes them up all over again. Paige puts her in the Tree of Woe and pulls back on Becky’s arms in an incredibly painful looking hold. They trade abdominal stretches until Becky charges into a superkick (of course) for two. The Rampaige gets the same as Becky is too close to the ropes. Paige loads up the PTO but Becky rolls her up for the pin at 5:00.

Rating: C. They had two options here and they picked the stupid one because this is WWE and that’s all they know how to do. Becky and Paige could do something great but that’s hard to do in just five minutes. It’s very nice to see Becky get a win for a change though as she hasn’t won anything on her own on TV since August.

Post match Paige puts Becky on the table for the PTO (It’s like the same move! BUT ON A TABLE!) until Charlotte makes the save.

Video on Wrestlemania tickets going on sale.

WWE World Title Tournament First Round: Dolph Ziggler vs. The Miz

They start fast with Ziggler grabbing a leg but having to escape the Skull Crushing Finale. Miz bails from a superkick but walks into a clothesline. Dolph misses a charge into the corner and Miz starts in on the knee. Now it’s Miz’s turn to have a charge hit buckle and Dolph gets two off a backslide. Miz kicks him in the head and puts on the Figure Four though. Dolph finally makes the rope, pops up and superkicks Miz for the pin at 5:07.

Rating: D+. Logical story with the leg work aside, I really wasn’t feeling this one. The ending felt completely out of nowhere as Ziggler just popped up and hit his secondary finisher. Shouldn’t it at least have been weakened due to the knee injury? Not the worst match here but it’s clear that this generation (as in the pre-NXT generation) really doesn’t get how to put a match together.

Dolph holds up the title. I wouldn’t get used to that Ziggy.

Undertaker dominated people at Survivor Series 2005 and Kane won the Tag Team Titles with Daniel Bryan at Night of Champions 2012.

Here’s MexAmerica to say they don’t want England around because they’re just so hateful. Now England is listening to Germany and Russia and they’re despised around the world. Del Rio calls them all haters and Zeb thanks HHH for the first round title match on Smackdown. Wow that’s not something you hear on Raw anymore. And when is the last time we saw a promo with no action?

Natalya vs. Naomi

Natalya’s epic FACEBOOK challenges continue as she keeps trying to figure out who leads Team Bad. Naomi accepted the challenge on Twitter, which may or may not be on the same footing. Natalya helps the fans with the WE WANT SASHA chants. They go to the floor very quickly with Sasha sending Natalya into the post and messing up her leg. Back in and we’re already on the chinlockery until Natalya fights up with a clothesline. Natalya: “WE WANT SASHA!” The Rear View misses and Natalya sends Naomi into Tamina for a rollup at 2:05.

Sasha comes in post match and is put in the Sharpshooter until Tamina saves for a beatdown.

Undertaker beat up Edge in the Cell in 2008 while Kane destroyed a wedding in 2005.

WWE World Title Tournament First Round: Sheamus vs. Cesaro

The winner gets Roman Reigns and King Barrett is in Sheamus’ corner. During the break after Sheamus’ entrance, Barrett got in an argument with Wayne Rooney to continue a Twitter feud they had earlier in the year. They brawl into the corner to start as is their custom, while JBL goes on about European sports that most Americans don’t care about as is his custom. Sheamus comes back with a quick throw and pounds away with the forearms to the chest as we take a break.

Back with Cesaro fighting out of a chinlock but getting crotched on the top. Cesaro spins around Sheamus’ arm and runs him over, only to have both guys fall out to the floor in a big crash. Cesaro is holding his arm and both guys dive in to beat the count at nine. Sheamus drives him into the corner and loads up a Brogue Kick but Cesaro ducks under a Brogue Kick and tries the Sharpshooter, sending Sheamus bailing to the ropes.

Cesaro uppercuts with the bar arm and dropkicks Sheamus off the top to the floor. There’s another uppercut against the barricade but Sheamus and Barrett start arguing with Rooney. Wayne slaps Barrett in the face and a running uppercut sets up Cesaro’s arm trap small package for the pin at 15:35.

Rating: B-. Take two big, strong guys and let them hit each other for a long time. Sometimes you just need a power brawl and that’s what you got here. Cesaro has no chance against Reigns so we’ll call this his latest win to make you believe he might be a player a few times before he loses three or so in a row. Good stuff here though, as always between these two.

Tyler Breeze calls Renee ugly and wants to get rid of Dean Ambrose’s ugly clothes.

WWE World Title Tournament First Round: Dean Ambrose vs. Tyler Breeze

This is Breeze’s main roster debut. Tyler ducks a clothesline to start and hides in the ropes. Dean loads up a suicide dive but Summer takes Tyler’s place and screams to stop Dean. Ambrose takes him down on the other side of the ring and lays on the barricade as we take a break. Back with Dean hammering away in the corner until Breeze throws him to the floor and takes over. Cole lists off all of Breeze’s nicknames and we get a nice pinfall reversal sequence.

A rollup out of the corner with feet on the ropes gives Tyler a two count. Dean goes up for a missile dropkick but stuns himself on the landing, possibly injuring his shoulder. If it wasn’t hurt though, Tyler sends him into the post twice in a row to make sure it’s hurting. A Fujiwara armbar makes Dean scream but he makes the rope for the break. Tyler gets kicked to the floor and a kid who sounds about five says “THAT’S WHAT YOU GET FOR MESSING WITH DOLPH ZIGGLER!” Back in and Dean grabs a small package for the pin at 11:05.

Rating: C+. Good debut for Breeze here, save for the whole losing thing. Why they would put him in a match like this for his debut can only be summed by “WWE is stupid and doesn’t get it” but at least it wasn’t a squash. You have to assume Ziggler vs. Breeze for Survivor Series, which should be a Tyler win but stupider things have happened.

Here are the updated brackets.

Roman Reigns


Alberto Del Rio






King Barrett



The next Undertaker/Kane moments are Wrestlemania XXVIII for Undertaker and the 2001 Royal Rumble for Kane.

The other three first round tournament matches will take place on Smackdown.

Here’s New Day to complain about being left out of the tournament. Big E. declares it outrageous that they’re being treated like outcasts, even while they stand here so fresh and clean. It wasn’t long ago that they laid out Dolph Ziggler (Big E. faints here), took out their childhood favorites the Dudley Boyz and put out John Cena. This match is for their captain Seth Rollins, so get your horns out. Actually never mind because European magic is gar-bage. Kofi: “And Harry Potter sucks.”

Neville/Usos vs. New Day

A chop sends Woods to the floor and we take a break 32 seconds in. Geez just don’t start the match then. Back with Jimmy caught in the Unicorn Stampede but being able to avoid the Warrior Splash. It’s off to Neville for the fast kicks and a standing moonsault to Woods, followed by the double superkicks and dives from the Usos.

Neville dropkicks Woods onto his partners and it’s time for a big corkscrew moonsault off the top to the floor. Big E. runs over an Uso and Neville goes up for the Red Arrow, only to have the trombone thrown in for a distraction. Big E. shoves Neville off the top and Xavier grabs a rollup with feet on the ropes for the pin at 8:37.

Rating: C. This was exactly what you would expect when you have these six in there. It’s good enough with the high flying and fast tags but New Day is much more entertaining when Woods is on the floor being goofy. The Usos will get their rematch and probably the titles back and I’m ok with that at this point. Fun match here but nothing great, ignoring Neville, as in a guy in the tournament, taking a pin of course.

We see the Wyatts taking out Undertaker and Kane recently.

Here’s Bray Wyatt to eulogize the Brothers of Destruction. Bray says change is a part of life and determines who you are. They have been the benchmark for over twenty years and they have reigned supreme. He asks us to bow our heads in remembrance but calls the fans fools for chanting Undertaker’s name. There was no passing of the torch because Bray took the torch and burned both of them into ashes.

Now he controls the thunder and lightning and the demons respond to his commands. The apocalypse is here. Bray kneels and an Undertaker and Kane highlight video starts playing in reverse before going normally. Bray looks upset and Undertaker’s voice says REST IN PEACE. Lightning makes fire come out of the posts and the gong sounds.

Cue Undertaker and Kane to scare Bray even more. They stare him down but the lights go out again (pay your bills you deadbeats) and the other three Wyatts are here. Undertaker punches Bray down and Harper and Rowan are punched away as well. Strowman gets in and takes off his mask but Harper and Rowan have to be chokeslammed first. A double clothesline to the Brothers just causes a double situp and Strowman is sent to the floor. Bray is all alone but Braun has to be sent over the announcers’ table. Bray gets chokeslammed to end the show.

Overall Rating: C+. I don’t like tournaments. They’re a fun idea in theory but you wind up seeing the same people fight multiple times and dragging out a concept longer than it needs to go. Now this show did a good job of keeping things moving and at least seemed to set up the semi-finals and finals at Survivor Series. Some of the matches are lame and you can see where they’re going with it, but at least the final match should be fun and there are several seeds being planted for later. Good, efficient show this week but the big stuff is coming soon.


Roman Reigns b. Big Show – Spear

Kevin Owens b. Titus O’Neil – Pop Up Powerbomb

Becky Lynch b. Paige – Small package

Dolph Ziggler b. The Miz – Superkick

Natalya b. Naomi – Rollup

Cesaro b. Sheamus – Arm trap small package

Dean Ambrose b. Tyler Breeze – Small package

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  1. Aeon Mathix says:

    Its never going to be explained what happened when Kane and undertaker were carried away is it? Are any of Brays feuds explained? Oh no because they are like cryptic or some stupid nonsense.

    klunderbunker Reply:

    Nope. And I’m ok with that as long as Undertaker and Kane lose at Survivor Series.

    I’m not going to be ok with this.

    Aeon Mathix Reply:

    They aren’t going to lose man. Especially not after taker came off that cell loss. Wouldn’t be surprised if its a clean sweep

  2. Steve says:

    So with Sheamus losing in the first round does this mean we’re getting a cash in at Survivor Series?

    klunderbunker Reply:

    The more I think about it, the less I think so actually.

  3. ted says:

    So we open with a long boring promo from h before Reings comes out. To once again show he’s not suited for these types of promos. Then To prove how exciting Reigns is. They make him wrestle a slow, plodding match with big show. Good grief it’s like they want the audience to hate the guy. The audience was doing the wave. That’s how little they care about it.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    what was wrong with Roman’s promo – it wasn’t long and arduous with him trying to sound cheesy or otherwise. He was pretty much reacting to HHH and played along nicely

    I think some people just need to get off this hate bandwagon

  4. james gracie says:

    Oh man how bad was that? So the Wyatt/Taker stuff closed the show to once again condition the fans into thinking that the WWE championship is secondary now. And Taker and Kane just destroyed the Wyatt Family and laid them out. Why the fuck would I want to see that match at Survivor Series now? Wouldn’t it make more sense for the Wyatts to lay out the Brothers forcing them to find 2 partners for reinforcements? My goodness this company is garbage.

    And are we sure this is a WWE title tournament and not a European title tournament? Holy crap what a weak field. That’s what WWE gets for keeping most people on the roster at the same level. And why can’t they do the 8 man tournament at Survivor Series? That makes it more intriguing and allows them to tell a better story like back in 1998. If the idea is for Reigns to go heel and beat Ambrose setting up Ambrose chasing Reigns til Mania with the Authority screwing Ambrose til then, I’ll be all for it….so in other words, WWE wont do it.

    Oh man the Divas. You have Paige as the #1 contender and you just have her lose? Get these bimbos off my fucking TV. I’ve had enough of this crap! #LOLDivasRevolution

    Welp it happened. The New Day clearly got too over so now they’re just filler material. What a damn joke!

    Awful show tonight and just when you thought WWE might get interesting, they book a crap show like this. Is there no one…..NO ONE that can get into Vince’s ear and tell him he’s an absolute moron? I’M SO SICK OF THIS SHIT COMPANY! #VinceIsSoftAndOutOfTouch #FireStephanie #SaveUsNewDay #LOLDivasRevolution #OhManHowBadWasThat

  5. M.R. says:

    Why would Undertaker and Kane need to put a team together when they just beat them 2-on-4?

    klunderbunker Reply:

    Because there are people out there stupid enough to pay for it.

    M.R. Reply:

    The lack of star power in that world title tourney is actually startling.

    klunderbunker Reply:

    It looks like an Intercontinental Title tournament.

  6. M.R. says:

    I wouldn’t think Khalisto would even be in an Intercontinental tournament. But they refuse to truly push anyone, or maybe just don’t know how to.

    klunderbunker Reply:

    I’d say a combination of both.

    El Corrector Reply:

    Kalisto not Khalisto.

  7. dookie blaster 3000 says:

    lol fans are the worst sometimes

    Reigns gets a push and fans bitch and moan about him being “forced’ on to the audience. gee, i wonder why wwe would want the next champ to start winning matches..

    so then when wwe chills on the push, fans bitch and moan about wwe not pushing anyone. lol what a joke.

    i bet if they hold on on giving him the title for 5 years, when he finally gets it, “smart” fans are gonna roll their eyes and go ‘ugh i knew he was winning, stop forcing him on us wwe!’

  8. Marky-Marc says:

    No Cena, no Orton, no Lesnar, no Rollins. This is a horrible tournament.
    There are ways they could make it more interesting though, but they won’t.

    They could’ve used this weeks Raw to build up first round matches. have Owens squash Darren Young and taunt Titus. Have Breeze beat Ryder then cut his ‘ugly’ promo on Ambrose. How about Neville/Cesaro vs. Sheamus/Barrett to set up those two matches? Then hold the first round matches on next weeks Raw and Smackdown and the final 8 at the PPV.

    This feels way too much like a midcard tournament and it makes it very lame. I’d be shocked if we don’t get Reigns and Ambrose in the finals and while that could be awesome, everything leading up to it is not interesting.

    Really disappointed by this outcome and I hope they have some tricks up their sleeve to surprise us in some way.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    nothing you’ve backseat-written makes me like your version more than what WWE gave me.

    Also Cena, Orton, Rollins are all on the shelf in case you’ve been napping.

    Again, I disagree – I think Roman/Cesaro, Ambrose/Ziggler are really good match ups – that I’ve not seen before, so looking forward to that.

    Also, I don’t know if an Ambrose v Roman is a lock yet.

    Marky-Marc Reply:

    Clearly you’re going to like anything WWE gives you.

    I was mostly pointing out the bad luck they have with not having the big stars available for the tournament. Had Cena not taken a leave and Orton not been injured the tournament would have a much more exciting feel to it.

    I agree that those two matches are fresh and will more than likely be very good. You know what makes them uninteresting though? That I know who’s going to win. Put Cesaro in Del Rio’s spot to fight Reigns in an awesome semifinal that may actually make me think Cesarp has a chance. A good match? Sure. Interesting? No

    It could be Owens instead of Ambrose but I really think Ambrose is the route they’re going.

    In 98 you had Austin, Taker, Kane, Mankind and The Rock as options to win. Here, you have Reigns and Ambrose. It’s a tournament to determine the champion of the world and you have I’d say 12 of the 16 with a zero percent chance to win the title. That makes it uninteresting.

    Greg Reply:

    To be fair WWE is missing Bryan, Cena, Orton and Rollins. Wyatt can’t be in the tournament due to already being in the Taker one when Rollins got injured.

    Those aren’t names WWE can just replace quickly.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    @Marky – and you’re clearly what – an abused wife sticking with her abusive husband? Don’t like the product, well watch New Japan!

    And you’re comparing the current product to the golden era of WWE? Why don’t we compare the current product to what was on offer last month? I’d take a tournament with enough spice to satiate the palette vs a Kane and Rolling feud, which was incredibly boring and one could see the outcome a mile away. This, I’d argue not so much.

  9. M.R. says:

    Ambrose is a career midcarder. Reigns may be moving in that direction.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    what? based on what? Based on the two years Ambrose has been playing the field, earning his stripes? Its been 2 years!! Doesn’t everyone start as a jobber > mid carder > main eventer?

    Did you say the same thing about Punk (cruiser?), Edge (tag?), Bryan??

    james gracie Reply:

    For fuck’s sake. Stop making excuses for WWE’s poor handling of their roster.

    WWE will never have to change their format and better their shows cause there are way too many fans like you who constantly make excuses for them and never hold them accountable

    Jay H (the real one) Reply:

    This coming from a guy who comes on here every week bitching about every Show but continues to watch it anyway. Why? Because he’s a hypocrite.

    Ted Reply:

    Oh don’t worry about m.r. He just riles people up with nonsense he knows to be untrue.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    @Ted – yeah, there are idiots on this site (and WWE trolls in general) that bitch and moan about a product that they can at anytime walk away from, and yet won’t, spending time and energy criticizing and moaning about lack of direction and endeavour – and then have the balls to term others as apologists.

  10. Jay H (the real one) says:

    You know I doubt it would have mattered how WWE had booked this Tournament. If they had put the big guns in it then we would have heard well WWE isn’t trying to push anyone new to the top and is going back to the old reliable. When they go with what they have and don’t call back John Cena early or try to bring Brock Lesnar back its this looks like an IC or European Title Tournament.

    They are damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    @Jay H – for the life of me I don’t understand this “mid-card” tournament jargon. I really don’t.

    KB has spent reviews after reviews about how much he hates Orton vs Sheamus. And about how these random matches without feuds don’t mean or head to anything. And yet here were are, with new match ups for a purpose. Culminating in a WC belt.

    Yeah, this can be a vanilla tournament – or a swerve in place somewhere – but who cares? Lets watch, and find out.

    Not so long ago, Owens was a smark fans wet dream; Roman and Ambrose were part of the shield break out stars; Ziggler was a Internet darling; Del Rio was the criminally underused but hidden gem; Cesaro was THE European star who could transcend the mid-American mindset – and yet, now these are mid carders?

    klunderbunker Reply:

    Yeah they’re midcarders and they’re going to stay that way for now. Owens will be in the main event scene someday.

    I don’t mind this tournament nearly as much. They’re keeping it quick and Reigns/Ambrose is likely to wind up as champion. That’s not a bad thing.

    Jay H (the real one) Reply:

    That’s my prediction that it ends up being Roman & Dean in the Finals with maybe a Heel turn for one of them. I will be at Survivor Series so im interested to see what happens.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    @KB – so clearly I’m not grasping this mid carder concept.

    Is Mid carder based on popularity? Roman consistently gets a top 3 reaction (boo + yay index, not just yay index); Did my surround sound fail me or did Owens get the hottest reaction in Manchester upon entry; Wasn’t it you that said Cesaro is getting a loud reaction from the crowd?; Ambrose/Ziggler – are they not top merch sellers for WWE?

    Or is Mid carder based on lack of main eventing? Ambrose was main eventing fall shows last year with Rollins and Wyatt; Reigns was in the main event of WM this year; KO pretty much stole the show this summer with his Cena feud; Ziggler/Show/Sheamus/Miz/Del Rio are all former World Champs and have headlined various past events….

    Greg Reply:

    “Del Rio was the criminally underused but hidden gem.”

    I’d argue the exact opposite. Del Rio is incredibly boring. He was in the world title scene forever and had one boring feud after another.

    FauladKaAulad Reply:

    @Greg – I don’t disagree. But you go through the IWC troll pages when Del Rio was away. Everyone was up at arms at how WWE had fired Del Rio and not utilized him to the fullest – and how he was the golden boy of the LU/ROH universe.

  11. klunderbunker says:

    It’s not reaction. If that was the case, Zack Ryder was a bigger main event star than the Rock at Survivor Series 2012.

    There really isn’t a definition for it. It’s one of those things where you just know it when you see it. Short version: if you have a realistic chance to win a match but aren’t regularly a featured attraction, you’re in the midcard.

  12. Marky-Marc says:


    Clearly you’ve missed my point and now you’ve begun grasping. Being more interesting than what happened last month doesn’t make it interesting. it’s boring.

    And I’m not comparing it to the ’98 tournament in saying it should be the same. I’m saying they went with a tournament and gave us names that could have walked out as champion. This tournament doesn’t have that and it’s not because that was the ‘Golden Era’ it’s because this tournament is filled with people who are not World Champion caliber stars. Yes, Miz, Sheamus, Ziggler and Del Rio have been in the past but they are not on that level right now. Hence why I suggested taking an extra week to make those people seem more important. It probably would not have worked much, but it’s better than what we’re getting.