Wrestlemania XXXII: Strap Yourselves In. This Is A Long One.

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  1. Marky-Marc says:

    I disagree with a lot of this. I understand it is your review and completely subjective but i think much of this is inaccurate.

    Please note i was also in attendance in Dallas.

    First, we have to stop assuming Ryder’s win was going to Neville. Neville hasn’t done anything recently to warrant such an assumption. I think they decided Ryder would be a good way to pop the crowd on the opener. And you can’t tell me Neville’s pop had he won would be anything near what Ryder got. Everyone around me was genuinely shocked and excited when Ryder won. I doubt Neville would receive the same reaction.
    Also on the ladder match…it makes all the sense in the world. I get frustrated with all these multi-man matches too but that doesn’t mean they don’t make sense. KO was bragging that the show was all about him, Then when his potential challengers jumped him, he disrespected the boss and she punished him by making him defend against all of them. is it the Owens/Zayn match we wanted and should’ve gotten? Nope. but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense.

    The divas match on the pre-show also had nothing to do with celebrating Nikki overcoming her injury as you mentioned. Nikki came out because Brie was retiring. I thought that was obvious.

    The Cell match is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be. It was what it was intended to be: fun. We saw Shane take a beating and have a few moments where you thought ‘maybe he could do it.’ Followed by a memorable spot we will never forget. Now maybe things sounded different for you at your seats (I was on the floor) but for me the crowd popped for every near fall, every big spot and almost everything Shane did in general. And the time thing to me doesn’t matter in the slightest. For me, when the match ended i just thought about how awesome the jump off the Cell was, not about how unrealistic or long the match went.

    Now to the main event. You have to stop thinking everything the Authority does is to try to get Reigns over. It’s not. Stephanie’s monologue has nothing to do with ‘We’re the heels boo us not him’ and has everything to do with ‘We’re HHH and Stephanie and nobody gets to do anything cooler than us at Wrestlemania.’ Which is why the match was bland. HHH has to work what he thinks is the epic Flair/Race style and I guess nobody has told him it never works. But that’s always been my problem with HHH: he doesn’t make his opponents look good. This should have been a borderline squash with Reigns taking out months of frustration on HHH but instead we get the same crap from HHH matches we always get.
    Also, I don’t know how late you stayed after they were off the air, but HHH got to leave the ring last to give a big emotional wave to the crowd and hugs and kisses to his family at ringside.

    Big picture: Wrestlemania was a blast. I’ve been a fan for 25 years and been to countless events (including Summerslam ’02) and have never had more fun at a show. I was surprised at how long it ran but I was never thinking ‘ok 2 more then I can go’ and the people around me felt the same. it definitely had potential to be better with booking as you mentioned (specifically New Day going over and Ambrose not being squashed in an embarrassing performance) but Idk why you hated this show so much as I figured being there would sway your judgment. I mean, you even hated on the Snickers commercial for crying out loud. You kind of seemed to be angry with this show from the second it started.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      I don’t see why we can’t assume it was going to be Neville. Everything there fits: his mini feud with Miz, not winning much (though way more than Ryder) and Neville would have gotten a pop. Maybe not as big as Ryder, but I doubt Ryder is in the match if Neville isn’t hurt.

      It makes sense if you really stretch and accept the idea of WE MUST HAVE A MULTI MAN LADDER MATCH. It’s way too convenient for me and the logic felt like “the script says so.”

      It’s the Divas and therefore is always about Nikki.

      I didn’t find the Cell fun and I never bought that Shane could pull it off. It felt like a long time waiting around for the inevitable.

      I had a great time at the show. It just doesn’t hold up well on a second viewing.

      • Marky-Marc says:

        I would say don’t assume Neville because i don’t think we can really say with certainty that they had an idea for a winner in place when Neville went down. And I also don’t think Neville would have dropped it to Miz the next night. I think it’s more likely they decided to go with Ryder for a feel good moment and think Owens/Zayn feud doesn’t need the title involved.

  2. SD619 says:

    A few thoughts on this Wrestlemania:

    1. I agree that Shane lasting 30 mins with Undertaker with no interference is rather ridiculous.

    2. The shots of the crowds were amazing.

    3. Its rather impressive that no wrestler was in more than 1 match for a 7 hour show (including the battle royal).

    4. I understand that the show was sold out, but is is baffling that Rock/Austin/Cena (the biggest draws of the past 25 years) appeared unadvertised (Well, Rock was sort of supposed to be there, with no more details provided).

  3. Jaiden says:

    Great explanation on how the Wyatt family were not “buried”. I wish everybody else could see it from your perspective.

  4. Stormy says:

    So this one is probably going down as your longest review ever I would assume. Unless 97 Starrcade beats it.

    Until they brought out the ATGMBR people I thought they’d scrap it or make it the post-show dark match or something in order to finish by 11E/10C. Then they didn’t and I realized they aren’t ending at normal PPV time (when they add the earlier hour they usually end on-time).

    I thoroughly enjoyed myself in section 223. Managed to survive AT&T Stadium with a crutch somehow.
    -I agree about the booking, as New Day had no right losing that bout.
    -I can do with Jericho winning, albeit I would have preferred the other way around, as at the end of the day Jericho deserves to get a bone thrown his way every so often.
    -Ryder winning made this the best Mania ever, but that’s more personal than booking.
    -I’m with you 100% on the Cell. It was too long, and didn’t make sense. And when the fans wanted Shane to go up top I was screaming NO. It was reckless, albeit sadly necessary because that’s what Shane was known for.
    -The main event was a major mis-step for HHH. Both men hate each other and had pull-apart brawls leading to the PPV. The bell rings to start the contest and they start grappling? Nonsense, it would have been better suited as a 15 minute all-out brawl.
    -All that considered, the Steph Spear proved beyond a shadow of a doubt what I felt all along, that the fans don’t hate Reigns as much as they hate how he was booked. Less is more with Reigns vocally (RAW proved it as he had a good promo). He’ll likely never rebound from that unless he goes full-heel for a while, which I could see happening during this title reign (Ambrose will fight him for the title, as soon as AJ does the job.

    Ideally I think the best option would have been to switch Taker and HHH. Put the belt on Taker at the Rumble, and have Roman fight him, with Shane fighting HHH for control of RAW (makes sense since HHH runs RAW).

  5. Jeff says:

    I thought the thing in Shane’s lockbox was a contract that made him equal to Vince in power or something to that effect. So in order to not be equals, he put up his contract against Vince’s.

  6. M.R. says:

    C- is way too generous.

  7. Jay H (the real one) says:

    I do agree that it was going a little long toward the end. Overall though while not as strong as the last two years it’s still a solid Mania. The Ladder and Womens Matches definitely stole the Show. HIAC I also enjoyed but Shane is just a mad man jumping off that thing.

    I’m also glad you brought up people whining about The Wyatts,League Of Nations, and AJ booking. They weren’t buried at all and people need to stop using that term.

    • M.R. says:

      He actually said the AJ booking was completely wrong, which it was.

      • Jay H (the real one) says:

        Im talking about people saying he was buried just because he lost his Mania debut. Hence why I said people need to stop saying that he was and stop using that term.

        And james gracie I know you are too stupid to know this but this isn’t Twitter you moron.

    • james gracie says:

      #LOLJay #LOLItsAlwaysSunnyInWWE #LOLHeActuallyLikedTheWrestlemaniaBooking

  8. Bloodbuzz Bunk says:

    The AJ loss smacks of Jericho or agent for the match changing their mind mid week about jobbing and then whining about how good Jericho has put the feud over( in fairness he did) and AJ not playing the game knowing he was gonna end up in the main event.

    New Day’s loss was lazy booking and you can tell they had decided it since before Fastlane. Why New Day win and the legends save them from a number advantage? Laziness.

    Rock is always better than most at putting a guy over but if the movie studio won’t pay the enormous insurance fee for him he really shouldn’t get physical with the talent. That part hurts more than helps.

    I agree with your take on the show completely. It’s sorta funny now that Brock, Taker, and Trips have gone into their 6-12 month hibernations again that there are only two stories worth caring about going. I hope creative can find a way to protect the 8 guys they brought up on Monday and the whole women’s division while straining to figure what to do with a still gutted main event scene.

  9. Thomas Hall says:

    Chris Jericho never needs to win another match as long as he lives. Styles has yet to prove himself on the big stage. There was no necessary reason for Jericho to win that match.

    • Dragon says:

      What about his wrestling fans that want him to win? I am a Jericho fan and I fully expected Styles to win. I am just saying the win was a welcome surprise and the loss will not hurt AJ. Jericho does not NEED to win another match but it makes for boring wrestling when every show, ppv, and special go with by the book predictable booking and while I do understand that new talents need the rub a LOT more, it doesn’t hurt to give long time fans a veteran win.

      • Thomas Hall says:

        Those fans will get over it. They’ve had their moments of cheering for Jericho. It’s someone else’s turn now.

        • Dragon says:

          In all fairness so will Styles’ fans ( or by the sound of things maybe not), not his first loss and won’t be his last.

  10. rampah says:

    Great review of a very long show.

    Just a few thoughts and questions. I didn’t watch the pre show, so I won’t comment on it.

    1) This made a new attendance record for WWE shows, aside from the announced card. Was Rock advertised for Mania this year? Could you take this Mania as some kind of proof, that WM always sells itself when a card like this can pull over 100000 people in?
    Besides that, the Stadium looked awesome.

    2) The ladder match: I usually don’t like these kind of matches. They are beyond stupid from a logical perspective (always those slowly climbing up the ladder parts, instead of just getting the belt) and the insane spots were done to perfection in the past. So there isn’t much left for me to see.
    But Ryder winning was unexpected and put a smile on my face, watching it. Certainly a fell good moment, even when it lasted only one day.

    3) I liked the AJ vs Y2J match, but I have also to say, that that was the first match of those two that I saw. Where one of the others better? I don’t know, but it was still a cool match. I don’t get Jericho winning here and losing to Fandango before, but as I said the match was good to very good.

    4) New Day rocks! i haven’t seen so much of them before, but I can’t remember watching something that funny and entertaining at the same time in the WWE for a very long time. Maybe Hell No, but this is at the very least on the same level.
    The nostalgia didn’t work for me on this one so well, I seemed like a “screw those young guys, lets cheer for some retired Hall of Famers instead”! Maybe I’m to harsh on this one, but it didn’t click for me.

    5) The Lesnar match was the biggest disappointment for me. I get that Ambrose had to loose. But the match was, as you put it, just a squash, which isn’t good at all.

    6) The women match was the match of the night and besides Mickie James vs Trish Stratus I can’t remeber watching a Divas match, which was that good. I think you are a bit to harsh on this one, this deserved an A or A-. Would you have given it a better grade, if the booking was a bit better (i.e. no Flair win)?

    7) The Cell match was a Spot fest, which went on way too long. It never having any drama in it (beside the one insane spot) and an obvious ending, which everybody saw coming, didn’t help it either.
    Who from the roster (not injured people of course) would have fit in there as a replacement of Shane in your opinion? I think the injuries really crippled them on this one, leaving Cena or Sting out of the equation. If only they had Sting vs Taker at XXXI and now Wyatt Taker, but you are always smarter afterwards.

    8) The Rock promo was dragging the show down. Not because it was bad (and I also think, he helped Wyatt there), but because it was so long. This combined with the way to long Cell match makes a really bad setup for the main event.

    9) HHH as a defending champion in the main event of WM in 2016 in front of a record crowd? Oh dear, the injuries really had them on this one.
    The match was somewhere in between the Batista vs HHH (which was better) and Orton vs HHH (which was worse) WM main events for me. It was hard to follow such a long show up to this point, with the last two segments dragging it down. But even if you watch the match for itself: It is simply boring. Not bad, not good. Boring.
    When I think of Hogan vs Andre at WM3, I remember the match as not very good. But the booking ant the atmosphere from that huge crowd were unmatched. Here it was quite the opposite. The match was not bad, but it felt really hard to care about it. And they failed to get the crowd behind that one,
    They pulled an ace out of their sleeve last year eith the cash in, but here it just felt short. A record crowd booing the champion. He doens’t deserve that, bad booking indeed and a way too long show.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      Yeah Rock was advertised but it wasn’t announced what he was going to do. Yeah Mania is going to sell on its name and nothing more.

      The three way would have been better with no Flair and fewer botches, though those are understandable.

      I’d have gone with Reigns vs. Undertaker and put the title on Roman later.

    • Dragon says:

      Fandango needed to be put over, AJ Styles does not.

      • rampah says:

        How did Fandango benefit from the WM win exactly? I only remember him jobbing and dancing afterwards, never winning anything. Would it really have mattered, if he lost to Jericho at WM?

        On AJ:
        I never watched TNA or New Japan, I didn’t even know how he wrestles before the rumble. I’m a casual fan, who reads a lot here and there and watches a few RAW segments and most of the (former called) PPVs.
        I get that a new guy has to be put over, but for me AJ (in the WWE) is a new guy. I don’t get the feud between those two and where it leads (or if it still continues) because I haven’t seen a former match of those two, but a WM win is something more than a win on RAW or a smaller PPV.

        • Dragon says:

          No one knew at the time that he would end up being the jobber he is so in hindsight he should have lost. He NEEDED the win as he was a new character. And a WM is just as big for Jericho as it is Styles……Styles fans are disappointed he didn’t get the big win, I get that, but there will be more on the way for him……not so much for Jericho. I was only saying it was a nice surprise that not every match went the predictable route. Some should but a whole card does not have to.

  11. Dragon says:

    Good review KB and as usual you are bang on. However, I disagree with you on 2 things:

    1) Jericho going over Styles is not a big issue. AJ Styles does not need to be put over, he is established worldwide and Jericho does not need to lose every WrestleMania match he is in. It is actually refreshing to see a surprise like this and not have every match go the predictable route and be “properly booked”. It actually reminded me of watchin Mania as a kid and being surprised with a winner for once.

    2) I feel you were harsh on the Cell match. I 100% agree that Shane should have had some help out there, even the Mean Street posse lol, and Vince should have made an appearance. But you could make an argument for Undertaker not being that effective because of age, or because his heart wasn’t in the match and he didn’t really want to fight for Vince. (announcers could have helped that) I enjoyed this match but I am a nostalgia fan.

    But like I said overall good review. I rather enjoyed the show.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      Undertaker beat Brock Lesnar a few months ago. The age argument does not work.

      • Dragon says:

        Your right but I still would have played up the fact that Taker didn’t really want Vince to succeed so he didn’t fight 100% till the end when he realized it would be his last Mania if he didn’t put Shane away. Point I am saying is that it could have been believable if the story was told right and if the announcers were on their game. Me and my crew were still thoroughly entertained by the match so it did its job in that regard.

  12. Tim says:

    I think they shouldve went with the original plan. Dean vs Jericho, Wyatts vs Brock

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