Guilty As Charged 2001: ECW’s Finale And Final Thoughts On The Company

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  1. Chrisman says:

    Honestly, I love the bias, and love disagreeing with it. You have no obligation to be impartial.

    I don’t think ECW went bust because it was violent. It went bust because it vastly overreached and lost lots of money on silly ventures. I know it would be….I can’t think of the word, but something like ‘poetic justice’ if they went out of business for being too violent, but did that really happen?

    I think the crux of the situation comes in the last paragraph about the Benoit deal and CTE. Yeah it’s good and necessary that things are toned down now. But I’m ‘extremely’ glad that we’ll always have these shows as past of the history of Pro Wrestling.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      I’m not. Those things “inspired” so much nonsense and hardcore stuff that gives wrestling a bad name. With no ECW there would be no CZW or IWA-MS which have done more to hurt wrestling than almost anything I can remember in years.

      Also I’m currently watching an ECW on TNN. There’s another problem with ECW: the wrestling isn’t very good. Super Crazy is in a hard hitting match with Tajiri and he will not sell any of Tajiri’s offense. It’s really distracting and makes Tajiri look lame. That’s not good, especially for one of their “wrestlers.”

  2. Chrisman says:

    I admire your passion, knowledge and insight. However your natural bias against ECW leaves a sour taste. I barely ever watched ECW, but on the few occasions I did, I enjoyed its chaotic and violent content. I also enjoy an ROH 60 min draw. I don’t see why you can’t enjoy both.

    It may not be ‘Wrestling’, but it’s pretty dam close to it. And if you think of it as a violent live circus based on the concept, and a homage to, Professional Wrestling, maybe you’ll enjoy it more and won’t have every judgement and thought on them clouded with this is it/isn’t it Wrestling thing.

    I appreciate you have your right to voice your opinion, but if you’re going to review something, you should try and retain enough impartiality to give an effective assesment. You’ve tried a bit, but you haven’t really got into the spirit of things, have you? Violence is everywhere, in every art, performance or otherwise. Why not in Wrestling?

    The underlying theme of your reviews seems to be that the ECW should have been more like the WWE. While I can totally understand your logic, I also think it’s an incredibly flawed logic that totally ignores a few basic truths. The whole reason for the ECWs existance was to fill a gap in the market and provide an acute alternative to WWE and WCW. ECW was, as some pointed out, not the worst main promotion. It was the best regional promotion in a very long time. It did that by capitalizing on a market that was clearly there and is catered for in many other artistic forms.

    To ask them to tone it down defeats the whole point of their existance. I get that you don’t like violence. Or maybe you do but hypocritically despise ECW for it while you’ll have no problem watching very violent movies and playing violent video games. Either way, I think you would be much better served by showing more respect to ECW and approaching it with a different mindset. Maybe. Maybe not, you seem pretty militant in your views. As were ECW. Respect to both of you.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      “It may not be ‘Wrestling’, but it’s pretty dam close to it.”

      This right here sums up the problem with a lot (as in NOT all of it) isn’t wrestling. It’s something resembling wrestling but it simply is not. Wrestling doesn’t need the violence and the insanity to survive. It’s lasted for nearly 100 years without it and ECW survived for less than 8 years. I think that speaks for itself.

      “I appreciate you have your right to voice your opinion, but if you’re going to review something, you should try and retain enough impartiality to give an effective assesment. You’ve tried a bit, but you haven’t really got into the spirit of things, have you? Violence is everywhere, in every art, performance or otherwise. Why not in Wrestling?”

      I’ve watched every ECW PPV. I watched ECW when it was airing live. I’ve never cared for the style and ECW is definitely the high end of the hardcore spectrum. Also, I have never and will never make a claim to or be completely unbiased. It’s incredibly boring to be so.

      “The underlying theme of your reviews seems to be that the ECW should have been more like the WWE. While I can totally understand your logic, I also think it’s an incredibly flawed logic that totally ignores a few basic truths. The whole reason for the ECWs existance was to fill a gap in the market and provide an acute alternative to WWE and WCW. ECW was, as some pointed out, not the worst main promotion. It was the best regional promotion in a very long time. It did that by capitalizing on a market that was clearly there and is catered for in many other artistic forms. ”

      Yeah, and then it stopped being anything fresh and new and they died, because it wasn’t a long lasting idea. It worked for a few years and then after it got to the TNN era it was on life support. It wasn’t going to work long term, no matter what.

      “I get that you don’t like violence.”

      Here’s the thing: over the years there was a guy who wrestled a very physical style and stayed away from the hardcore stuff. he was as well trained as anyone ever and at the end of the day, his head was so bashed in that he went on a killing spree. I’m assuming you’ve heard of Chris Benoit.

      This kind of violence that ECW fans praise is doing the same thing that Benoit did but with metal objects and people with far inferior training to Benoit. I have no need and/or want and/or desire to see people bash their heads in with metal objects and hit a single wrestling move (badly) while calling it wrestling at the expense of people having their brains scrambled with repercussions that we can’t even completely fathom yet.

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