SuperBrawl 1999 (2014 Redo): Who Needs Heroes?

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  1. meka 3000 says:

    Well I meant in a completely 100% serious, and more importantly NON-IRONIC manner. 😉

  2. meka 3000 says:

    “Heenan brings up the thirty days because he’s the only person there with a brain (maybe there’s something to that name after all) and Tony completely ignores him because continuity is a bad word in WCW.”

    Tony ignored it because the stipulation didn’t exist. The next night Steiner mentioned how the stipulation WASN’T ACTUALLY made.

  3. Rocko says:

    At the end of the day, WCW failed to do the one thing businesses are supposed to do. Make money.

  4. MWeyer says:

    I agree the “Kellner killed it’ theory is a bit much as they spend 300 pages talking about how horribly inept this company was run then suddenly act “oh, if not for THIS ONE GUY, they’d still be around.”

    Is notable how we’re getting a 10th anniversary edition of the book this October, said to be longer, stuff edited from the first edition and corrections (like how that first book copied the now-debunked story of Bischoff running the AWA in its last days) but new insight a decade later (if we don’t see at least one comparison to TNA, I’ll be shocked) so worth a new look.

  5. Heyo says:

    I agree with what you said about what Kellner did with WCW in that he didn’t so much kill the company as much as he put it out of its misery.

    It’s just that, if what the book says about Ted Turner was true, I don’t think Ted would have cared if WCW lost $60 million, he would have kept that company alive no matter what. Not just for declining the deal in 2000 like the book says, but what it mentioned in the early 90s, when someone brought up the idea to him to shut down the company, and he not only said no, but he supposedly told them to never bring it up again.

  6. MWeyer says:

    The Rey unmasking is because Bischoff didn’t think Rey was “marketable” with the mask. Because, of course, you NEVER see slews of fans at WWE shows wearing Rey masks and cheering him on.

    The Death of WCW book has a great bit on the mess Rey got into in Mexico with it and how he still can’t use the mask down there or he’d get lynched.

    Starting for the next few reviews, skip “Because WCW” and instead have “Because Bischoff.”

    • Thomas Hall says:

      It never ceases to amaze me how long they stuck around.

      • Heyo says:

        Really, the Death of WCW is THE book to read if you want a wide scope in how stupid WCW was.

        And why did they last so long? Easy. Ted Turner.

        Yeah, I know how you don’t think Jamie Kellner cancelling all WCW programming killed them, but I honestly think Turner would have kept them alive no matter what. Why?

        A company offered to purchase WCW away from Turner Broadcasting in 2000 for $500 million. Think about it. They could walk away from WCW, which was losing so much money at that time, and make more money than they would have ever had made anyways.

        Only except that Turner himself shot down the idea, because that’s how much he loved the company.

        Not that I agree with the “Kellner killed WCW” theory, but there’s more truth to it than most people would think. I think the correct answer is “the AOL-Time Warner deal killed WCW”, because Turner couldn’t keep WCW alive anymore, and AOL-Time Warner were the smart guys and tried to sell the company off(and later failed, but that’s beside the point).

        • Thomas Hall says:

          I’ve read the book and I really don’t buy a lot of what it says. The Kellner theory doesn’t hold up if you think about it for more than 4 seconds.

  7. Marky-Marc says:

    I’m a huge Bret Hart fan. Now Bret claims to have had a lot of nagging injuries throughout 1999. But I’m going to start a little tradition since you’re doing these reviews. I’m going to ask we’re Bret Haet was on this card. I won’t do it during every Nitro/Thunder but ones I feel he should’ve been on. We’re 15 months since one of the biggest wrestling scandals of all time involving one of the biggest stars of all time. So on a PPV I must start the tradition now: KB, where was Bret Hart?

  8. Heyo says:

    I…I have nothing. I read about this PPV through The Death of WCW, and how it buried all the talent(well, the ones we actually wanted to see at this point). But this…man. I just feel bad for you.

    I admit, i wanted you to review this PPV as soon as possible so you can continue with 1999 Nitros and Thunders…but I really, really regret thinking that. It sounds painful.

    Oh, I have a question. You said that 1995 was the worst year in quality that WWF/WWE ever saw. Is 1999 WCW worse than that?

    • Thomas Hall says:

      Probably not actually as WCW had good stuff down the card. The bad stuff was REALLY bad though.

      • Heyo says:

        Wow. I honestly didn’t expect that answer, knowing how 1999 WCW is considered THE black hole of wrestling as we know it. Yeah, WCW had a good roster of workers, and people like the Radicals would stick around until 2000. Still, they kept getting buried like this and it was almost like it didn’t matter, given they were NEVER given the main event spots, at least from what I’ve seen.

  9. whosnext98 says:

    Bischoff believed (erroneously) that faces were passe and the heels were the new “cool”. That the fans were there to see the heels and see the dumb uncool faces get beat up. The idea that the fans were going to keep tuning in when there’s no payoff with the heels always winning is ridiculous. My suspicion is it comes from Kevin Nash being in Bischoff’s ear non-stop because I’ve seen enough interviews with Nash that indicate that that’s what Nash believes.

    • Heyo says:

      Not to mention, it was Nash and Hall that gave Bischoff the idea to let them keep the tag team belts at Road Wild 1997, when the buildup was for the Steiner Brothers to win them there.

      Granted, the reasoning was different(they argued that switching the titles a lot would kill their drawing power) but it wouldn’t surprise me at all.

      • whosnext98 says:

        Well, they had a title change that night…..Nash was less concerned about killing the drawing power of the belts than he was about the titles going to the NWO and staying there. Funny how he wasn’t concerned about the drawing power when the title changes went to the NWO. I’m also inclined to think that Nash convinced Bischoff to bury the tag-team division so Nash could spend the rest of his career bragging that he and Hall were so good it shut down tag-team wrestling.

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