Thoughts on the 2016 Wrestling Observer Newsletter Awards

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  1. Bloodbuzz Bunk says:

    @ Prophet

    Cmon man Chael never won a title much less two. Chael is mostly famous for choking away a the middleweight title against Spider while Silvia was in his prime. Also when it comes to trash talk, hyping up a fight and achevieing actual icon status in mma/UFC those guys are not the 4 I think of off the top of my head( maybe Ortiz)

  2. Prophet says:

    “he smartly fights at weight classes in which he is always the longest guy with a huge reach so he can really utilize some awesome knockout power”

    Except ya know, two of his biggest fights and most successful PPVs of all time in McGregor/Diaz 1 and 2. Diaz is taller, longer reach and is bigger. So this is flat out wrong.

    • Dorian says:

      Lol – I was going to respond to that guys post with the same info. It’s quite obvious who here watches MMA; and who reads the Wikipedia entries.

      • Bloodbuzz Bunk says:

        And the first one he lost. Watch the fights with Alvarez and Aldo and it’s obvious that his insane reach advantage is greatest asset aside from his stellar knock out power with his right hand. All of which has nothing to do with my point that he is only beloved because a lot of MMA fans haven’t really seen a trash talker be so successful.

        • Prophet says:

          Rampage Jackson, Tito Ortiz, Rashad Evans, Chael Sonnen, Nick Diaz…

          Four of them are icons in MMA. So I’d say they’ve been pretty successful and Chael was at one point one of the biggest draws in MMA, holding several PPV records.

  3. BestSportsEntertainer says:

    From what I can tell:

    Most Oustanding Wrestler – best in the ring

    Wrestler of the Year – best overall

  4. Prophet says:

    If Meltzer and co didn’t cover MMA regularly I’d agree with not including them in the awards. Meltzer is pretty locked into the MMA community though and has been for a long time.

    I tend to not see these as wrestling awards. They’re the Observer awards. Mixing both wrestling and MMA. In some cases it isn’t fair but for things like feud or interviews, wrestling has NO REASON to lose to a MMA fighter. They can script results, they should win those categories easy.

    • Bloodbuzz Bunk says:

      It’s understandable when you lose to McGregor because his whole gimmick is essentially being a cruder, copy of Ric Flair. He isn’t charismatic or clever enough to be Flair or Ali or the Rock but he can be asshole better than anyone in the business of talking to promote competition. The whole thing is though is that no one has done this in mma outside of Chael Sonnen and McGregor has been infinitely more successful so this has stuck with a generation of fans who experienced the real great trash talkers first hand.

      • Prophet says:

        Saying McGregor isn’t charismatic is beyond dumb.

        • Bloodbuzz Bunk says:

          I don’t find him to be all that charismatic. He comes off like a middle school bully who just yells obscenities louder than anyone and doesn’t stop talking long enough for anyone to get a word in edge wise. He is popular because he talks smack and he is good enough to produce knockouts( he smartly fights at weight classes in which he is always the longest guy with a huge reach so he can really utilize some awesome knockout power) but his whole persona is a sophomoric Flair impersonation with zero cleverness.

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