AJ Styles In WCW: The Long Form Footnote (Includes Full Video)
AJ Styles In WCW
Commentators: Mike Tenay, Tony Schiavone, Scott Hudson
Yeah this happened and it makes sense given that Styles is finally retired. He was around long enough that he was actually part of the final days of WCW. It really didn’t last long, but there is something to be said about seeing such an early part of his career. If nothing else, maybe we can see just how far he came later on. Let’s get to it.
From Thunder, February 14, 2001.
AJ Styles/Air Paris vs. Knoble And Karagias
The winners move on to a six way match at Superbrawl. Knoble drives Styles into the corner to start as we talk about Styles being 23 years old and only three years into his career. They battle over wrist control until Styles moonsaults over him and grabs a hiptoss. Everything breaks down and Styles and Paris clear the ring in a hurry.
Paris gets backdropped over the top onto the two of them before coming in to face Karagias. A short powerbomb gives Paris two and it’s back to Styles to trip Karagias down for a running corkscrew splash. Styles gets dropped to the floor by a cheap shot though and Knoble sends him into the barricade to take over. Karagias comes in with a powerslam for two and a bridging northern lights suplex gets the same.
A surfboard dragon sleeper has to be broken up so Styles and Karagias hit stereo crossbodies. Styles gets in a powerbomb and brings Paris back in for something like a Burning Hammer to Knoble. Everything breaks down and Karagias hits a big springboard dive to the floor.
Paris gets caught in a Doomsday Device…but Knoble and Karagias fight over who gets the pin. Styles comes in for the save but gets knocked down. Paris and Knoble crash out to the floor, leaving Karagias to 450 Styles for two, with Paris making the save. Styles’ springboard shooting star to the floor hits Paris by mistake, meaning it’s a springboard dropkick/powerbomb combination to finish Styles at 12:20.
Rating: B-. It was a fun start for the team and you can see Styles showcasing the skills that he obviously has. On the other hand you have Paris, who is best remembered as Styles’ partner but it was far from bad in his own right. As a result you had a bunch of guys getting a chance to showcase themselves and it worked out pretty well, especially for one of the last Thunders.
From Thunder, February 21, 2001.
AJ Styles/Air Paris vs. Boogie Knights
Wright uppercuts Paris down to start and stomps away in the corner. A spinwheel kick allows Disqo (it was a 2000 thing) to come in for a facebuster. Styles comes in and avoids Wright’s charge in the corner but gets knocked down again. That means dancing can ensue (shocking I know) but it’s already back to Paris to slug away. Disqo goes after the leg to take over as we talk about WCW’s impending new owners (cue ominous music).
Paris tries to fight back but gets caught with a Doomsday missile dropkick. Styles pulls him out of the way of a charge though and then gets the tag. A running tornado DDT plants Disqo and it’s back to Paris, who knees Disqo to the floor. Styles hits a top rope double dropkick to take both of them down, followed by Paris’ springboard high crossbody. Back in and Styles hits his own high crossbody to pin Disqo in an upset at 6:59.
Rating: C. Yeah the Boogie Knights were hardly a great team but they had some success so it means a bit more for Styles and Paris to beat them. That’s something you need to have every so often and this was a quick enough match to give the new guys some establishment. I don’t expect it to go much further, but at least it’s something.
From Monday Nitro, March 5, 2001.
Cruiserweight Tag Team Title Tournament First Round: Air Raid vs. Elix Skipper/Kid Romeo
Yeah this was a thing and given that the company was out of business in less than a month, they didn’t last long. Romeo (a dancer, because that was REALLY popular in 2001, though he’s closer to a stripper) is a mystery partner. Styles gets chopped up against the ropes but sends Romeo outside. A charge is cut off though and Styles is dropped onto the announcers’ table, setting up a big dive from Skipper.
Back in and Styles’ faceplant gets two on Romeo, followed by a running flipping splash for two. Paris comes in and is quickly knocked down, meaning it’s already back to Styles. Everything breaks down and Skipper hits a top rope Asai moonsault onto Paris and Romeo. Styles is taken out with a dive as Chavo Guerrero comes out to watch.
Skipper dropkicks Paris off the apron into a scoop brainbuster to give Romeo the pin at 5:22. Romeo and Skipper would go on to win the titles, with the company going out of business eight days later (and they would lose them on the last show, with Rey Mysterio and Billy Kidman winning, and reportedly keeping, the belts).
Rating: C+. It was nice to see the team getting a spot on Nitro, albeit in a show that is pretty much completely forgotten. This was such a strange time for WCW, and wrestling in general for that matter, but it’s better than nothing for the team. They were getting some exposure on a big stage, even in defeat, and Styles was making it work.
From Thunder, March 19, 2001 (the last episode).
Air Raid vs. Jung Dragons
Yang wrestles Styles down to start and suplexes him into the corner for a big crash. A double Stunner over the top rope drops Styles and Paris before Styles reverses Hayashi into the (debuting and yet to be named) Styles Clash for two. Paris comes in and gets taken down with a standing hurricanrana before Yang comes in to clean house. A comeback is cut off with a powerbomb out of the corner. That’s enough for Hayashi and Styles to come back in, with Styles getting dropped with a kick to the head.
Everything breaks down and Styles gets dropkicked out of the air but he’s able to shove Yang outside. We get a really obvious edit as Styles loads up what looks like a super Styles Clash but instead we look at the crowd. As we come back, Styles’ is on the mat holding his back (after no sound on the landing) and Paris hitting a clothesline on Hayashi. A double powerbomb drops Hayashi for two, with Yang making the save. Hayashi grabs a chinlock and kind of reverse bulldogs Styles for the pin at 8:09.
Rating: B-. So that’s how the run ends and…yeah it’s not much different than the rest of the team’s run. It was cool to see the Clash, which was at least a different kind of move. The Dragons were an underrated team in their own right and of course they never came close to the Tag Team Titles because, well, that’s WCW for you.
Overall Rating: C+. This is basically a big footnote in Styles’ career, as he would go on to TNA and become a huge star (by their standards at least) just over a year after WCW went out of business. At this point, he wasn’t getting to showcase his talents very well, but then again, what were you expecting in the last month and a half of a dying promotion’s life? It would have been nice to see Styles get a singles match (he only had one, a dark singles match against Paris) but he had enough of those later on. For now, this was a nice look back at a pretty much forgotten time.
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Thunder – March 21, 2001 (Final Episode): How Many Times???
Thunder Date: March 21, 2001
Location: O’Connell Center, Gainesville, Florida
Commentators: Tony Schiavone, Mike Tenay
We’ve arrived at the final shows. We’ll start off the final episode of the corporate mandate that was Thunder, which has somehow gotten even less important over the years. The big story coming out of Monday is Ric Flair’s face being pressed onto the back of a donkey and the upcoming Night of Champions on Monday. Let’s get to it.
We open with a recap of Monday and most of the major stories. I’m still curious about who was attacking the Magnificent Seven. For some reason this recap starts with Dusty vs. Flair, goes to Booker vs. Steiner being announced and goes back to Dusty vs. Flair.
Air Raid vs. Jung Dragons
That would be Air Paris/AJ (now Air) Styles, now in matching G-Suits on the way to the ring. Yang and Styles get things going and hit the mat almost immediately with Yang getting two off a rollup. A headscissors gets Styles out of what looked like a Tombstone and it’s Paris sneaking in for a superkick. Everything breaks down for a few seconds before Styles hits the yet to be named Styles Clash (very little reaction from the announcers) for two on Kaz.
Yang comes back in and knocks AJ out to the floor but Raid double teams Yang down to take over for the first time. It’s off to Paris for a double faceplant, only to have Yang hit a running Liger Bomb out of the corner for two. The tag brings in Kaz to clean house with some martial arts but he walks into a Burning Hammer of all things from Paris. Styles dives into a dropkick but he gets up to counter Yang Time.
Air Raid loads up what looked like a superbomb/neckbreaker combo. Well for all I know they might have broken down into a Charleston dance off as the camera cut to the crowd so I’m assuming a botch. Something like an H Bomb gets two on Kaz with Yang making the save. Kaz gets back up and loads up something like Sister Abigail but jumps forward for something like a reverse bulldog for the pin on Styles.
Rating: C+. This was fun while it lasted and a good way for these four to go out. The Dragons went from a pretty generic high flying Japanese team to a downright above average high flying Japanese team. Styles is another name on the list of stars that WCW had though a few matches in a low level tag team aren’t really enough to blame WCW for screwing up again.
We recap the Rhodes Family beating Jeff Jarrett/Ric Flair on Sunday.
Here’s Dustin Rhodes with a bag of goodies and something to say. We see the clip of Flair and the donkey again so Dustin pulls out a game of Pin the Flair on the Jackass. To go with it: mouthwash, chapstick, and a hotel key for Flair and the donkey in case the idea wasn’t clear enough yet. Cue Flair to the screen to make Dustin vs. Jarrett/Scott Steiner for later tonight. Flair rants a lot so Dustin holds up the Horsemen sign but says it means to kiss the donkey again (Four words: Kiss My Daddy’s….)
Jason Jett vs. Cash
That would be Kid Kash. They trade arm holds to start and then flip each other around a bit with Jett being set out to the floor. A good looking slingshot hurricanrana has Jason in trouble but he dropkicks Cash out of the air to take over. Thankfully the announcers stop previewing Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Shawn Stasiak to talk about this match.
Kash sends him outside for a big flip dive off the top and an ECW chant. Back in and a double clothesline (with Kash coming off the middle rope and Jeff flipping into his) puts both of them down. Jett grabs a reverse kneeling piledriver but Kash runs the corner for a bad looking hurricanrana. The Crash Landing is broken up and the Moneymaker (double underhook lifting piledriver) gets two. Jett pops right back up and hits the Crash Landing for the pin.
Rating: C-. And so ends the Jason Jett story. There was potential but he was a far cry from what people like Guerrero and Helms were doing at the time. It could have gone somewhere with more time but alas Jett was another victim of the curse that was WCW going out of business for not knowing how to push people like Jason Jett. Among many other reasons of course.
Flair tries to calm Rick Steiner down after the team accused him of being the attacker.
Cat gives M.I. Smooth a pep talk.
The Cat/M.I. Smooth vs. Animal/Kanyon
Cat kicks Kanyon to start and drives some right hands into his head for good measure. It’s off to Smooth vs. Animal for the power brawl with Animal no selling a clothesline. Smooth no sells a clothesline though and it’s off to Cat, who walks right into a powerslam. A powerbomb out of the corner allows the tag off to Kanyon for some elbows, followed by a swinging neckbreaker.
Animal grabs a neck crank before handing it off to Kanyon for a chinlock. Kanyon’s middle rope Fameasser is countered with a powerbomb out of the corner but Animal breaks up the dancing elbow. Smooth comes in and cleans house on Kanyon as Cat kicks Animal on the floor. A trip puts Kanyon down and a splash gives Smooth the pin.
Rating: D+. Well at least Animal didn’t get the pin. Of all the things WCW did in its final months, hiring Animal is one of the most annoying. It’s such a WCW standard: bring in some name from the past that people don’t care about without his partner when you have people on the roster who could fill the role just as well. I’m sure Animal’s brother booking the show has nothing to do with it.
Rick Steiner vs. Hugh Morrus
Morrus has Konnan with him. As is so often the case in Rick matches, they’re on the floor in about thirty seconds with Steiner no selling Morrus’ offense. Hugh clotheslines the post by mistake so Rick throws him inside for an Angle Slam of all things. The cover only gets two as Rick has to yell at some fans. Well at least he’s doing something right. Rick’s bulldog gets two with Morrus getting his foot on the ropes.
That earns him a Steiner Line but Morrus comes back with a spinwheel kick. Steiner kicks him low (referee is fine with it) and gets in a chair shot (no complaints from the referee). He loads up some Pillmanizing (this referee is incompetent) but calls out Shane Douglas. Shane comes out for the brawl (HOW IS NONE OF THIS A DQ???) and hits Rick in the head with his cast, knocking him into a German suplex to give Morrus the pin.
Rating: D. Even on the final show Rick Steiner can’t pick things up a little bit? I’m assuming this was designed to set up Rick vs. Shane on Nitro (How appropriate: a Walking Dead match on the final Nitro.) or at some point in the future so I’ll actually give them some credit for trying to have some more angles for beyond Monday in case they were around.
Post match Douglas hands Dave Penzer a video. Shouldn’t he hand that to the production truck?
After a break, the tape shows Douglas challenging Steiner to a fight on Nitro. Was there a reason he just didn’t do this live on the mic?
Kid Romeo/Elix Skipper/Chavo Guerrero Jr. vs. Rey Mysterio/Kidman/Shane Helms
Kidman and Chavo start things off but Guerrero goes after Shane on the apron, allowing Kidman to grab a neckbreaker. Shane comes in for a tilt-a-whirl backbreaker but a Skipper distraction lets Chavo take over. It’s off to Romeo for some dancing until Shane kicks him in the face. A Samoan drop into a springboard legdrop keeps Romeo in trouble until Skipper gets in a cheap shot from the apron and comes in to take over.
Everyone heads outside for the series of dives in a nice sequence. Back in and Skipper plants Rey with a dragon suplex before handing it off to Chavo without bothering to cover. A Gory Bomb gets two for Chavo but Rey gets in a running DDT to drop Romeo. Kidman’s top rope elbow gets another two as everything breaks down. Chavo saves Romeo from the Vertebreaker so it’s the Kid Crusher to put Romeo away.
Rating: C+. One more good cruiserweight six man to go out on. I’m always a fan of combining two feuds into one match and they did fine here, especially with a challenger pinning a champion (fine as it was a six man and not a regular tag) to wrap it up. There isn’t much to say here but it was exactly what you would expect from these six.
Rick still isn’t happy. Was he ever?
Chuck Palumbo tells Lance Storm to stay out of this match.
Mike Awesome vs. Chuck Palumbo
They’re all alone here as Chuck starts off with that good right hand of his. Mike sends him outside and hits a great looking springboard clothesline, followed by a slingshot splash for two back inside. A camel clutch doesn’t go anywhere so Mike sends him outside again with Chuck’s knees going into the steps. Chuck takes a chair away and blasts Awesome in the back but can’t manage to jump over him in the corner. Not that it matters as Mike drops him anyway, making the whole thing look bad.
With the wrestling not working they head outside for the third time with Mike being whipped into the barricade. Awesome comes back in with a top rope shoulder but takes WAY too long setting up the Awesome Splash, allowing Palumbo to roll away just in time. Cue Storm and O’Haire to fight at ringside, leaving Palumbo to hit the Jungle Kick for the pin.
Rating: C. I like these guys and it’s nice to see them getting a push near the end. O’Haire was the star of the team but Palumbo was good enough to keep a job in WWE for years and have a nice little career of his own. It was certainly bigger than any other Thrillers after leaving WCW, which was probably quite the surprise.
Dustin Rhodes vs. Scott Steiner/Jeff Jarrett
Before the match, Jeff says Booker will be dead after this match, just like his daddy’s career. We go to a break before Dustin’s entrance and come back with Animal finding Flair laid out in the back. Dustin hammers on Jeff in the corner to start but Scott’s distraction lets Jeff escape the Dust Buster. So why didn’t he just climb out on his own earlier? Scott ties Dustin in the Tree of Woe for a bit before Jeff crotches himself on the ropes. The bulldog gets two on Jeff but a pipe shot to the back sets up the Recliner for the quick submission.
Rating: D. What a perfect way for Thunder to go out: heels winning a fairly short, meaningless handicap match with an old face that doesn’t get much of a response from the crowd. Dustin didn’t do anything wrong in this run but time has shown that people don’t really care about Dustin Rhodes on his own. He’s just a guy in trunks who has done an above average job of separating himself from his famous father. That’s commendable, but it’s not that interesting. Goldust is someone people care about while Rhodes is just there and that’s a common problem in wrestling.
Booker comes out for the save and says he’s taking the title.
A group shot of the Thunder production crew ends the show.
Overall Rating: C. This felt more like any given episode of Thunder, which really isn’t surprising given how little Thunder meant. The cruiserweights were good (shocking) and the main event didn’t mean anything so it was all business as usual. Most of this stuff doesn’t matter anyway as Monday is a special show but it was nice to see at least some effort as they close it out.
So that’s Thunder. It’s no secret that the show wasn’t WCW’s idea and only existed because Turner Sports told them to put on a second show. For once you actually can’t pin this one on WCW but it’s not like they did much to help themselves. Looking back at Thunder, in all 147 episodes, I didn’t rate anything, be it match or show overall, higher than a B. In three years and three months, you would think they would somehow have something that high but nothing ever broke that barrier.
Over 147 episodes, a grand total of five received an overall rating higher than a C+. Five. As in less than twice a year this show delivered what I would consider to be a strong episode. In those same 147 episodes, I rated a total of thirty three matches above a C+. Of those thirty three, nine didn’t involve the cruiserweights. Think about that for a minute.
In almost three and a half years, a weekly wrestling show produced nine heavyweight matches that were better than slightly above average. Shockingly enough, every single one of those nine matches involved Chris Benoit, Booker T., Raven or Diamond Dallas Page. So in reality, those four and the cruiserweights were the only people delivering good matches on this show and even they weren’t doing it on a regular basis.
If you want to know why Thunder was such a nothing show, that’s where you start: on a show that had let’s say 900 matches (147 shows at six matches a show would be 882 so we’ll round up a bit), about three percent of the matches were even a little bit above average and nothing would be considered great. At some point, you need to offer something that makes people stick around. Wrestling that is just ok with a bunch of older names having horrible matches to close the shows aren’t going to do it.
Thunder just wasn’t a very good show and much like Smackdown in recent years, you almost never needed to watch it because almost nothing ever happened there. Let’s do a quick comparison with Monday Nitro regarding title changes and look at how many times each title changed hands from the time Thunder debuted until the end of the promotion (not counting the title being vacated):
World Title:
Nitro – 15, Thunder – 4 (Two of which were Kevin Nash awarding himself the title and losing it in the same night, a third being David Arquette and the final one being Nash winning the title, only to give it to Flair the following week on Nitro.). Now to be fair, maybe the bigger problem is that there are nineteen World Title changes on TV alone in just over less than three and a half years.
TV Title:
Nitro – 5, Thunder – 1
United States Title:
Nitro – 15, Thunder – 1
Tag Team Titles:
Nitro – 14, Thunder – 5 (Two of which were on a single show)
Cruiserweight Title:
Nitro – 11, Thunder – 5
Hardcore Title:
Nitro – 9, Thunder – 4
In total, that’s 69 for Nitro and 21 for Thunder. (Again, part of the problem is having ninety title changes on TV in twenty one months. By comparison, in the history of Monday Night Raw, there have been 259 title changes in the history of Monday Night Raw. WCW had more than one third the number of title changes on two TV shows in less than three and a half years than the biggest wrestling show of all time has had in over twenty three years spread over thirteen championships).
That’s the grand summary of why Thunder didn’t work: average at best wrestling most of the time, few major events and a bunch of horrible main events featuring either old wrestlers far past their primes or low level stars in matches people didn’t want to see. Thunder was a horrible idea from the beginning and never got any better. Monday Nitro going away was a major story. Thunder going away was a reminder that Thunder was a show that existed.