I Want To Talk A Little Bit About Identifying With The Audience (Why I Don’t Like Lesnar vs. HHH)

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  1. Stormy says:

    I love how 2012/2013 Brock Lesnar (coming off 2 bouts of Diverticulitis no less) is now a once in a generation talent.

    In 2002/2003 he was that (when he had a manager talking for him because he was beyond shit at that). Now he’s a shell of his former self. And yes, the whole HHH/Lesnar thing has gone on 2 matches too long (should have ended after the first bout), it’s not like Lesnar is this amazing, Rock-like competitor that can just immediately make WWE mainstream with amazing matches again.

    Lesnar had a great fight thanks to Cena (I said fight, not match because that’s what it was), and a 3-match series with HHH that was decent/good/decent. Lesnar, believe it or not, is not all that viable. He is well below average in the ring now (people bitch about Cena’s 5 moves of Doom yet Lesnar doesn’t even have that many). And who else would Lesnar fight? Sheamus? Orton? Punk? Bryan? All of those options suck. The only viable match would be Lesnar/Taker, which is the exact same thing as Lesnar/HHH.

  2. Jordan says:

    Cena winning wasn’t a good decision but at least Brock still looked like a monster in that match. Cena survived and capitalized on the one mistake Brock made, that’s completely different than what we’ve seen with HHH and Brock. But you’re right, who cares now? I said it before Extreme Rules, who cares if Brock wins? The mystique is gone. And of course the next night, it has to ALL be about HHH. I don’t care what anyone says, he didn’t get Hennig over AT ALL. You want to get him over? Let him destroy HHH while he’s weakened and get the pin. It gets Hennig over as a sick heel and you can still do the HHH concussion angle.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      It didn’t have to be destroy. Have Axel hit some big move, HHH fights back, and then collapses, giving Axel a cheap pin. Maybe even beat on HHH after the fact. Having HHH destroy Axel (which is what he did) and then leaving him in the ring while HHH collapses isn’t putting Axel over. It’s a story about HHH with Axel in the background.

      • Jordan says:

        Oh yeah, I mean there are plenty of ways they could have gone about it. The way they did though was easily the worst way to go about it. Heyman is incredible though so I’m sure he’ll be able to put a spin on it and make it benefit Hennig greatly.

  3. BudDakota says:

    In a perfect world I agree, I just dont think they trust Lesnar enough to use jim to full potential. Appreciate the response Kb.

    • M.R. says:

      They don’t need to trust him. He’s under contract, if he doesn’t show up for X amount of dates, he gets sued. Simple.

      • BudDakota says:

        Has nothing to do with it, hr has very few dates on his contract and has relatively short term deals. Its not about him not showing up its about lettinb him crush everyone and then he walks after the deal.

        • M.R. says:

          He was originally signed through WM29. The idea would have been to build him as an indestructable monster leading up to the show, at which point he would put somebody over and it would actually mean something.

  4. M.R. says:

    Brock’s demeanor upon returning was great. He beat the tar out of you, smeared your blood across his chest, then laughed about it. They screwed it up immediately though having him lose to Cena, he beat the tar out of him the entire match but CENA JUST LOST TO ROCK SO HE CANT LOSE AGAIN. Then he faced HHH, and TRIPLE H IS EQUALLY AS BADASS AS BROCK SO IT WAS A BLOW FOR BLOW WAR! Boom, potential squandered.

  5. chris says:

    Triple H is the guy who works with the guy that makes the money – Jim Cornette

  6. BudDakota says:

    Kb, I have read all your reviews and love the site but I think you have went a little off the rails with your Triple H hate. I mean he is one the most popular superstars the company still has available. Would you rather he wrestle fandango? Also in what world would you have one of your top faces go into a blowoff cage match and have him get destroyed? Was the feud perfect, not at all but I dont think it is near as bad as you do. But I also didnt see why the end of Raw was so terrible. By reading your headline I assumed he destroyed Axel which he clearly did not. What if Trille H came back more full time, Madden made this point in a recent article and he was right, wwe could use more HHH right now, not less.

    I would also say that a faces ability to get over has little to do with relatability. You love the old flair vs. sting feud. Who in the hell could anyone relate with there, rich guy vs. guy with facepaint. Who in the world could ever relate to an ultimate warrior or a randy savage. Relatability and popularity do not necssarily go hand in hand. Wrestlers are characters not your friendas, you dont need to relate.

    • M.R. says:

      You don’t get it at all.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      Well considering the ratings have been tanking with HHH as the focal point, I’d say, as usual, Madden is clueless.

      Here’s the thing about HHH being so popular. You know who has a bigger fan base than him? Lesnar. You know who drew some of the biggest audiences in UFC history? Lesnar. You know who hasn’t brought in that kind of money in a long time? HHH.

      As for how I would have ended Raw, Axel pounds HHH into oblivion, HHH tries to get up, and collapses, only to get pinned.

      HHH is 43 years old and is the boss of the company. He’s also a 13 time world champion. He flat out does not need to be winning all the time. Look at Jericho, a guy who is by far a weaker star than HHH. He puts over ANYBODY and never loses an ounce of credibility.

  7. matt says:

    This is going to end up killing the industry eventually if they keep this up, it’s not about who the fans like it’s about who the bosses like, that’s the reason they don’t ever get a large intake of viewers and will continue to coast along with the same base viewers as long as that continues – they’ll never get any new people watching the show if there’s nobody they can relate to that makes them keep watching.

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