WWE Fourth Quarter Financial Report

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  1. Thomas Hall says:

    I don’t get annoyed when people tell me whoever is the best wrestler in the world. I get annoyed when people tell me I’m a Cena mark/fanboy.

    Drawing power isn’t accepted as the universal way of determining ability because a lot of wrestling fans don’t think about what they’re talking about. Now that being said, I’m well aware that I spend a ridiculous amount of time researching, thinking and writing about wrestling and it’s absurd to expect everyone to think about it as in depth as I do.

    Actually when you think about it, and I’m not trying to start anything with this, Daniel Bryan is the lowest drawing WWE Champion ever. How many extra tickets do you think were sold because he was champion? His reigns lasted a combined what, 22 hours?

    Seriously though, the worst WWE Champion ever wouldn’t be the worst wrestler ever. Using this idea, the worst wrestler ever would be someone who no fans paid to see, meaning someone who wrestled once and was probably a jobber.

    As for your questions:

    1. Mick Foley. I bought into the idea of someone who was always told he wasn’t good enough and didn’t look right but just kept fighting until he reached his goals.

    2. Actually I do. There was an article in I think Forbes that said John Cena was responsible for bringing in roughly $100 million in revenue in 2012, more than anyone else. You can also look at merchandising numbers over the years and ratings/buys when certain people are on top. The latter of those two is far less of an exact science and more educated guessing/analysis of course.

    Also the Vince thing isn’t likely. Back in 1998, Austin’s t-shirt sales alone brought in a quarter billion dollars. That’s so ridiculous it’s unreal.

    Here’s the thing though: wrestlers aren’t paid to perform. They’re paid to bring money into the company.

    As for the Brando vs. Downey question, that’s a completely different thing as neither works for the same company all the time. They’re in business for themselves.

  2. frank says:

    what ever happend to not jay? are jayces and eights disbanded?

  3. ted says:

    See jackass answers like 5 don’t help your case any. 3 Is still an opinion bro one you feel strongly about but an opinion all the same.

    Also Can you even say/write 2 or 5 without being a fanboy? I mean your basically saying if people’s opinion is different from yours it’s wrong. Which sounds pretty fanboyish to me.

    I await your reply about How Cena cures cancer and is the best thing since sliced bread. Draws all the monies, is irreplaceable and so on.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      I can assure you it’s not an opinion. The last line you say shows you know what I’m talking about and don’t want to admit it’s true, so I’ll be saving my time.

      • ted says:

        History shows that you will reply to anything written so I doubt you’ll be saving your time.

        I just wonder why it bothers you so much when people disagree with you about Cena? I mean he’s your favourite sure, and by proxy the best to you. Not everyone shares this opinion. Why is it so hard for you to coincide to “Cena is the best to me” statement?

        Granted your a smart guy and a good writer.
        But what you write is not fact. It’s that little bit of unwarranted arrogance that seems to chide some people.

        p.s. To put this opinion thing to rest once and for all. A fact is something that is indisputable such as death. Everyone will die, you cannot argue or counter that in any way.

        The Greatest wrestler is opinion based because there is no indisputable criteria to select the greatest. So people are forced to create their own. Hence how opinions are formed and arguments and insults are slung.

        • Thomas Hall says:

          I get annoyed when people tell me what I think. For the love of all things good and holy, John Cena is not, has not been, and never will be my favorite wrestler.

          Let me put this another way. My favorite baseball team is the Cleveland Indians. Do I think they’re the best? Of course not, but I still cheer for them and want to see them win. I like other wrestlers more than Cena, but I know he’s the best.

          I won’t concede that some people may not see Cena as the best because I’m right, they’re wrong, and I enjoy being right. Before you ask, yes I am indeed a jackass at times.

          You’re wrong about there not being criteria. Wrestling has always and will always be about one thing: drawing money. No matter what people like Colt Cabana or CM Punk or anyone else says, wrestling is a business and is about making money. If it wasn’t, wrestlers wouldn’t be paid and it would be free to watch.

          John Cena draws more money than any other wrestler on the planet right now. Therefore, John Cena is the best wrestler in the world.

        • ted says:

          I get annoyed when people tell me what I think.

          Explain why people telling you they think “insert wrestler here” is the best wrestler in the world. Is telling you what to think? If someone tells you that Cena isn’t the best wrestler. They aren’t telling you, that you aren’t allowed to think that. They’re saying they have a different point of view.
          Surely you don’t think everyone has to agree with you all the time?

          ” but I know he’s the best.”

          This should say think. You can think Cena’s the best, and no one can change your mind on the matter. That does not make it so.

          “I won’t concede that some people may not see Cena as the best because I’m right, they’re wrong, and I enjoy being right. Before you ask, yes I am indeed a jackass at times.”

          This still doesn’t make what your saying true. It is still an opinion. Eh everyone’s a jackass at times.

          If drawing money is the only criteria why isn’t it universally accepted? Why are there star ratings for matches? why do people regard “angle, undertaker, hbk, as the greatest of all time? If money is the only method that matters. Why don’t you just write about show gates and ratings?

          Lets try this one more time. In your opinion whoever draws the most money is the best wrestler ever yes?

          This would make diesel the worst wrestler of all time. As he was the lowest drawing champion/main attraction of all time. Which I have no problem with because he’s worthless. But very people make this claim. Why? It’s not the only way to ascertain the worst.

          p.s.

          1. i’m just curious who is your favourite wrestler of all time?

          2. The WWE draws the most money currently. No one wrestler is vital to the brand. You don’t even know what cena or anyone draws. As you don’t have that kind of information. Vince McMahon has drawn more money than any wrestler ever. No one is going to say he’s the greatest wrestler of all time.

          Bottom line money is important yes. There are other ways to determine the greatest. You can rate the performance. You know the thing they are being paid to do.

          You want to tell me Robert Downy jr is a better actor than Marlin Brando because he made more money?

  4. Thomas Hall says:

    1. I’m not a Cena fanboy.

    2. I talk about Cena like that because he is indeed the best in the world today.

    3. That’s not an opinion.

    4. I’m aware most people believe it’s an opinion.

    5. These people are wrong.

  5. deanerandterry says:

    I think a second chance is gonna happen for him, he deserves it but i agree if it looks bad this time then WWE can’t be expected to keep him at the top of the card. I wouldn’t expect him to be a mega draw but he has the ability to be a pretty good one.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      That’s what I’ve been saying. There’s nothing wrong with being a low level main event guy and the king of the midcard, but Bryan’s fans seem to think if I say he should be anything less than equal with Cena, apparently I hate him and just don’t treat him fairly.

      • deanerandterry says:

        Albeit we haven’t seen eye to eye much in regards to Daniel Bryan fans can’t simply expect Bryan to be Cena’s greater or equal, I don’t think Bryan will ever be his equal when its all said and done, Bryans awesome but Cena is top 10 all time in my opinion.

        I think Bryan is main event draw material but at most I don’t see him drawing more than lets say a Bret Hart in the U.S. All in all though Bryan has done better than I would have ever expected of him, even if he dropped down to upper midcard territory he has done VERY well for himself in the E.

        • Thomas Hall says:

          Indeed he has. He’s a multiple time world champion, has won every other title, beat Cena clean in the middle of the ring, been world champion at Wrestlemania and Summerslam. Unfortunately he hasn’t been champion for 18 months straight so none of that matters.

        • sal says:

          Brayns fans say this because he is getting the loudest pops of any wrestler in the last 10 years. Yes he could be the king of midcard, but there is potential there for something more. I don’t know how to unlock it. Maybe even the E doesn’t know to unlock it. But it is there. Maybe he can be Cena equal or even his better. Maybe Bryan will fall flat on his face. It’s the unwillingness to try that frustrates fans.

          By the way Kb the reason people say you don’t treat Bryan Fairly is because you don’t really hid your Cena Fanboyism. I mean he’s a good wrestler and can be entertaining. You treat him like he’s the greatest wrestler alive and anyone who doesn’t see that is stupid. Maybe you don’t mean it like that, but it’s how you come off.

  6. deanerandterry says:

    As usual good stuff financially. I also find it hilarious that Cena vs. Ziggler at TLC 2012 was barely outdrawn by Cena vs. Orton to unify the titles, also noticed Bryan vs. Orton outdrew Cena vs. Orton by quite a lot. Maybe Bryan isn’t as bad for business as some thought.

    • Thomas Hall says:

      Battleground being the second worst PPV in 17 years doesn’t do him any favors. Granted that whole show was doomed from the start, but WWE won’t see it that way.

      • deanerandterry says:

        When a PPV has zero time to build its chances for success isn’t too good. Didn’t WWE do this in 2011 (when Show and Henry broke the ring) and got shit buyrates as a result? Or December to Dismember in ’06 being a week after Survivor Series? You would think WWE would have learned their lesson not to put 3 PPV’s in the span of 6 weeks.

        • Thomas Hall says:

          Not to mention it was two weeks before Armageddon.

          Yeah the whole thing was a bad idea and history has shown that you need time to build a story. Even Unforgiven 98, Austin’s first title defense, had a bad buyrate because they didn’t announce his challenger until less than two weeks before the show.

          Bryan didn’t show he’s a draw but he’s worthy of another chance. If that fails though, it’s going to be a long time before he gets another.

        • Jay H. (the real one) says:

          Yeah having 3 PPVs in the span of 4 weeks is not a good idea and it definitely showed in 2006. They seemed to have somewhat learned that lesson this year with June being the only month with 2 PPVs which is fine. Having two in October before Survivor Series should never happen again I think.

          I do think DB is getting another chance because the rumors are still saying he wins the Title on Sunday.

  7. rick says:

    Que The million dollar man theme.

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